NRG Esports | Champions Tour 2023: Masters Tokyo | Playoffs | Valorant match | VLR. messithegoat. T1 roster, upcoming matches, results, rank, stats, and achievementsChampions Tour 2023: LOCK//IN São Paulo Loss -9 – 1638 vs. They currently have teams in Rocket League, Apex Legends, Fortnite, and manage the San Francisco Shock in the Overwatch League. important points: gld and m3c 100% not in franchising. Compare that to XSET, where dephh stacked the correct site almost every round and. Team Heretics - Week 2 match of Champions Tour 2023: EMEA League Valorant eventFNATIC FNC #AFP 1: 2. 2. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from KOI vs. saadhak tuyz cauanzin Less aspas. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from FNATIC vs. For LOUD, a victory for them would put. Team Liquid - Lower Round 4 match of Valorant Champions Tour Stage 2: Masters Reykjavík Valorant eventRive Fresh Cup. He previously played for forZe. Yessirskiiii. M3 Champions. Derke is Derke and Sayf has been hard carrying TL and also looking like one the best player in the world. If it was a B07, it will be 4 - 0 FNC. Hoping they don't leave teams best maps open this time (Like seriously, you're gonna give Fnatic Icebox?NAVI 2-0 But I'm taking a guess that all the matches will be pretty close (anywhere from 13-9 to 13-11 scorelines). . But in the second half, Sentinels pulled up a. gg. gg) Team Liquid lost their opening group match in VCT Champions 2022 against Leviatán. 52 more matches Champions Tour 2023: EMEA League. If we just count Tokyo and Champs, EG and PRX had a better year than FNC. FNATIC vs. Youenn (Performance Coach) cArn (CGO) meg (Streamer) sara (Streamer) Categories: British Teams. Licenses for other media varies. Open Qualifier #1 – 3rd–4th. Playoffs – 3rd. You know they were playing with. fnatic fast 2-0. CR ade#6685. Fnatic vs. LVP Rising Series #2. The Ultimates Odyssey. . Asuna_Yuuki. Louds most comfortable maps are pearl and ascent, 2 great maps for. A Masters Reykjavik slot was on the line then and a Masters Reykjavik slot was on the line now. 00; LOUD 2393,95 Pts -601,35 (0P) FUR 1573,9 Pts +0. Frags. Fut is practically a ranked 5 stack, i need to see FNC angry and ready for the lower bracket run before i think they havent fallen off. Still, with time GE can become a pretty destructive team. I think EG can put up a good fight but FNC should still take them 3-1 / 3-2. Champions Tour Europe Stage 1: Challengers 1. Valorant esports coverage featuring news, schedules, rankings, stats, and more. Rise of Titans. 17. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from FUT Esports vs. Timofey " Chronicle " Khromov (born August 16, 2002) is a Russian player who is currently playing for Fnatic . FunPlus Phoenix - Lower Final match of Valorant Champions Tour Stage 2: Masters Copenhagen Valorant eventGiants is getting a rough draw, but they're still a good team. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from FNATIC vs. +. One reason why FNC is so strong is for sure their ability to adapt and to prepare strats for every type of opponent. i miss the old vlrgg 16 Evil Geniuses GC bring on Nora 2 VLR Community Cup: APAC sign-up now OPEN 67 Na region 4 *PSA* RIOT EMPLOYEE TALKS ABT REPLAY SYSTEM 34 KEENC REPLACEMENT FOUND 13 players that will take a leap next year. Tournament – 2nd. 1. LOUD - Alpha - Semifinals match of Champions Tour 2023: LOCK//IN São Paulo Valorant event© This is our original video with many high quality edits and original creative ideas. Chronicle (Timofey Khromov) Valorant player team history, match results, stats, achievements, and winnings. CR Medusa#2360. overally easy for Boaster the goat IGL - he will read koldamenta like a book. 2-1 100T nonetheless! Boaster too busy twerking, 100t clears. After netting their fifth round, FNATIC retaliated in the. MAGNUM (Martin Penkov) Valorant player team history, match results, stats, achievements, and winnings. +. fnatic. 52 more matches Champions Tour 2023: EMEA League Playoffs: Grand Final Sunday, May 28th 10:00 AM CDT Patch 6. Group D. Racism/Discrimination. Just retire. Epic Games has announced a new FNCS structure for 2023, including a total $10M prize pool and LAN Finals in Denmark! Fortnite finally has a multi-season roadmap for competitive. 1976 . Natus Vincere - Week 1 match of Champions Tour 2023: EMEA League Valorant eventAll matches are Bo3. . However, two EG players try one-by-one to get kills from a cheeky spot near boost boxes on B main looking at B heaven, and both die. Can’t compare tbh. Main Event – 5th–8th. –. 8 ADR. –. FNATIC - Showmatch - ZETA Division match of Riot Games ONE Pro Invitational Valorant event. References [ edit] VCT 2021: EMEA Stage 2 Challengers Finals is an online European tournament organized by Riot Games and Freaks 4U Gaming. It’s what I’m saying, be empathetic, and think about those who have less, just because you can afford it, doesn’t mean it’s a good idea, probably one of the worst ideas you can do with with money, some people are born into poverty that did not choose that abode. NAVI defeated KRÜ. We try our best to bring you the best and most unique videos, we hope. Jack of all trades but master of none. ZETA DIVISION - Elimination (A) match of Valorant Champions Tour Stage 1: Masters Reykjavík Valorant eventAbsolute destruction by FNC, leo drops 70 bomb. FUT Esports - Lower Round 2 match of Champions Tour 2023: EMEA League Valorant eventStats, score, streams, and VODs from Paper Rex vs. All possible categories, even on roles like OP, entry, support, anchor. Valorant esports coverage, news, and community. the combination of insane prep (just look at all their lineups and cheese strats ) , super well-played offseason (brave and role changes), great igl, and getting experience along with confidence through the group stage. 2020. $3,943. Fnc 2-0. It's a pretty untraditional comp due to the lack of flashes. Again they were shut down by FNATIC, and the resulting eco allowed FNATIC to get to map point at 12-5. Group C. $143 FishkaVTom. -wolfen -koldamenta -barbarr. ZETA DIVISION ZETA #Z1BL 2023/11/03 5:35 am Red Bull HG #4 R1. Red Bull JP. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from NRG Esports vs. However, two EG players try one-by-one to get kills from a cheeky spot near boost boxes on B main looking at B heaven, and both die. March 28, 2023KOI roster, upcoming matches, results, rank, stats, and achievementsList of active discussion threads about competitive Valorant and esports happeningsFNC ban Breeze; FNC ban Sunset; FNC ban Haven; FL ban Bind; FL ban Lotus; FL ban Split; Ascent remains Betting. Other teams have. Chronicle Timofey Khromov Professional Valorant player for team Fnatic Twitch Twitter Youtube Instagram Vk External-link-alt Valorant Settings Mouse settings DPI 800 Sensitivity 0. Frags. Format []. The win earned the EMEA region an additional slot for Masters Tokyo, and Fnatic walked away with the US$100,000 grand prize. Search any summoner name for stats of all game modes. I’d argue that s0m is better in his role than Alfajer. ZETA played WAY better today. 2020. VCT Pacific (YT) Red Bull (YT) VODs Map 1 Maps/Stats Overview Performance Economy Logs (Soon) 13 . boaster just needs to frag like his average and call like he always does. pretty good match between the 2. Champions Tour 2023: EMEA League Valorant schedule, live match results, teams, tournament brackets, groups, stats, and standingsStats, score, streams, and VODs from Natus Vincere vs. gg) Map 2: Bind. While I agree ange1 underperformed this game, sayinng he should be removed is disrespectful to the whole team. cgrs was a good pick because he had good experience in csgo and is also quite popular streamer. [23] June 16th – icy joins. …Frags. Teams. Similarly, DRX defeated. The stage is set for an epic EMEA vs Americas League clash for the ages at the Tipstar Dome Chiba. They won't even play the second map cuz TL will be beat up so bad in the first map that they will ff before the second map even starts. Valorant Champions 2023 Valorant schedule, live match results, teams, tournament brackets, groups, stats, and standings. posted 8 months ago. posted in General Discussion Comments: Threaded Linear #1. G2 Esports - Lower Final match of Champions Tour Stage 1: EMEA Challengers Valorant event Whoa, easy there. posted 6 months ago ⋅ edited 6 months ago fnatic fnc #afp 2: 0. the only way vit could upset liquid its if bonecold and the coach make some crazy never seen strats but since its the first match its unlikely. Exacerbated by the fact stands were completely empty unless loud were playing, and loud fans making excuses because of festaval or w/e…. Frags. Mistic, Alfa, Enzo going to B while stax solo holding B. DELUSIONAL_POTTER_FAN. FunPlus Phoenix - Lower Round 2 match of Valorant Champions Tour Stage 2: Masters Copenhagen Valorant eventFNC just lived and died by Derke in that second game. zeta division zeta #z1bl 2023/11/03 5:35 am red bull hg #4. Bind (14 - 12) N/A Ascent . Threaded Linear. Teams. March 28, 2023KOI roster, upcoming matches, results, rank, stats, and achievementsTeam Liquid roster, upcoming matches, results, rank, stats, and achievementsCrazyguy_best_igl 21 minutes ago 11 135Europe 1 – 3rd–4th. posted about a year agoMasters Tokyo is the highly anticipated next chapter of the 2023 VALORANT Champions Tour! Twelve of the world’s best teams will meet in Tokyo to cement their. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from DRX vs. 1) FNC vs LOUD Lock-in ----- such a L crowd, watching fnc winning in front of brazil crowd was the best feeling and outcome 2) GMB vs KRU Champs 2021 ----- such a banger especially bind 3) XSET vs LEV or FNC vs LEV Masters Copenhagen ----- so much trolling from lev made these 2 matchups legendaryJust want to clarify: Guild win -> 1st seed in group B over Fnatic (head-to-head result), 1 win and they go to Reykjavik. truly a heartbreak story for drx. –. fnc vs bds, 3-2 fnc. He was a part of the all-swedish lineup that was picked up by Guild in late 2020. tldr: fnatic were way ahead of other teams in terms of the lotus comp meta. posted in General Discussion #1. C9 ban Split; FNC ban Sunset; C9 pick Bind; FNC pick Breeze; C9 pick Ascent; FNC pick Lotus; Haven remains Betting. © This is our original video with many high quality edits and original creative ideas. It's definitely the cumulative experience coming in and being able to close out these maps without making mistakes and forcing them out of the opponent. Group Stage – 9th–10th. nah they wouldn't they beat NRG there at lock in and NRG are like 6-1 against them on bind from last year. Fnatic picks Bind 6. Leo, one of Fnatic's newest players, was the star of the server with a rating of 1. reply • link. G2 Esports - Lower Final match of Champions Tour Stage 1: EMEA Challengers Valorant eventWhoa, easy there. Open Qualifier #1 – 9th–12th. LVP Rising Series #2. FNC is 5-0 vs NA this year but keep dreaming buddy. I'm very sure FNC would've won if they had Derke and Brave. Group Stage: August 6 th - 13 th, 2023 4 groups of four teams in a double-elimination (GSL) format. –. In Valorant's arena, where legends unite, PRX's victory soared to astounding height, From third place before, they climbed to the throne, EG, a worthy foe, in battles well-known. +. cauanzin (Cauan Pereira) Valorant player team history, match results, stats, achievements, and winnings. [22] May 9th – zecK joins as Head Coach. Frags. trust. zekken will be instrumental in helping set up cryo to win that battle which will lead XSET to a 2-1 win. Paper Rex - Lower Final match of Champions Tour 2023: Masters Tokyo Valorant eventStats, score, streams, and VODs from OpTic Gaming vs. The best place to watch VALORANT Esports! English (North America) English (Europe) English (Oceania) Čeština Deutsch Ελληνικά Español (España) Español (Latinoamérica) Français Magyar Italiano Polski Português (Brasil) Română Русский Türkçe 日本語 한국어 繁體中文 ภาษาไทย English (Philippines) English (Singapore) Indonesian Tiếng ViệtProSettings. 2020. Top 2 teams from each group advance to the Playoffs; Playoffs: August 16 th - 20 th and 24 th - 26 th, 2023 Double-Elimination bracket; All matches (excl. Fnatic best map vs korean, should be odds like 1. He’s an incredible player still, the Derke Doma duelist duo was the original OP duo in EMEA. DRX really had to beat them twice to shut them up 💀. #343. LOUD don't stand a chance against FNC. Obviously Fnatic hasn't been looking the best, But i believe that Derke / Alfajer vs Jamppi / Scream is going to determine it all. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from FunPlus Phoenix vs. –. Threaded Linear. FunPlus Phoenix - Upper Quarterfinals match of Valorant Champions Tour Stage 2: Masters Copenhagen Valorant event Valorant esports coverage featuring news, schedules, rankings, stats, and more Şimdiden unlucky. . They will put derke on chamber and alfa. However, the European squad rallied to pull off an unbelievable comeback, winning nine straight rounds. I got 60/40 for fnc theyre my team to win and my fav team but im not underestimating prx. It's not that hard to recognize when someone did something great. Qualifier Play-in – 5th–8th. 2021. September 7, 2002. FNATIC - Lower Final match of Valorant Champions Tour Stage 2: Masters Reykjavík Valorant eventFNC stayed strong and extended their lead. Nerd Street Gamers Monthly #1. As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from NRG Esports vs. Giants Gaming - Quarterfinals match of G-Loot VALORANT Clash Valorant eventSPOILER FOR FINAL ROUND OF THE MATCH: Round 24, FNC up 12-11. Frags. However, two EG players try one-by-one to get kills from a cheeky spot near boost boxes on B main looking at B heaven, and both die. . 3. if fragging was everything c9 would've done better at lock in. FNC (2 - 1) Live scores for Fnatic vs EG Masters Tokyo 2023. [We're in Iceland!] (in. Pixsy That was the most heartbreaking match I watched. eszett fnatic is the most overrated team of the valorant history lmao. Buzz and Mako holding A. Rive Fresh Cup. nats life game on ascent with 30 kills incoming, Gambit nAts will return and show Gambit Chronicle (who will drop 25 but lose) that they should't have separated from each other. That match would be crazy asf to see. Valorant esports coverage - competitive news, schedule, match results, team rankings, stats, and forumsGG, today's matches might have been the most enjoyable I've had actually. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from NUTURN vs. BoomTV Proving Grounds: Unleashed. Who do you think is going to win the matchup??October 16, 2022. LVP2. asian cry babies get away from my comments. Licenses for other media varies. FNATIC - Lower Round 3 match of Valorant Champions Tour Stage 2: Masters Copenhagen Valorant event Stats, score, streams, and VODs from FNATIC vs. Evil Geniuses -. rib. 1. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from KOI vs. Best gaming PC for esport. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from Paper Rex vs. G2 Esports - Grand Final match of Champions Tour Stage 1: EMEA Challengers Valorant eventVALORANT Champions Tour 2023: Pacific League - Regular Season (Week 1-4) - Liquipedia VALORANT Wiki. 2020. Pelaajatcom. SO SAD. $1,000. +. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from Cloud9 vs. This team litteraly exists since february and already won against tier 1 teams,. Even if NRG beats Loud I doubt they’ll ever live up to Optic’s legacy. Team profile including roster, match history, winnings, and statsdamn liquid is probably the last team you would want to play against if you had the chance to pick the order of the matches you will play tbh, comparing everything, experience, game sense, aim, IGL, etc. FunPlus Phoenix roster, upcoming matches, results, rank, stats, and achievementsValorant Champions 2021. $3,125. 2022. Cloud9. The Family Naturopathic Clinic (FNC) is a joint project of Acacia Health, the FNC Care Society, and the Boucher Institute of Naturopathic Medicine. 98 k/d and a 1. 31. | 9935 membersThe strength is having the freedom to mix up comps to take the enemy off guard, and the weakness is taking time to see what works and what doesn't. Frags. 55 Favorite/Hated Pizza Toppings 46 100T 1 WHY YOUR TEAM WONT BE GOOD 31 bucket hats 12 Please remove EMEA 47 will pancada start now (predictions) 54 Cheater in radiant?. I'm a Liquid fan because of nAts but Fnatic has put an embargo on the league, they are playing very harmoniously. Frags. maybe u can say fnc should have won this map if they. fnatic isn't really the best aimers but alfa is the best rifler and aimer itw boaster isnt really a top top aimer but hes really good for igl derke chronicle and leo can def get aim diffed lets be realFNC lucky af . FNATIC - Omega - Round of 16 match of Champions Tour 2023: LOCK//IN São Paulo Valorant event Stats, score, streams, and VODs from FNATIC vs. Red Bull. Fnatic (2022-04-01). . posted 5 months ago. –. " GitHub is where people build software. Honestly, every single one in Fnatic made a huge impact but props to Boaster for his calls and wise mid round decisions. OpTic Gaming - Upper Final match of Valorant Champions Tour Stage 2: Masters Copenhagen Valorant eventKarmine Corp roster, upcoming matches, results, rank, stats, and achievements1. XERXIA Esports - Opening (B) match of Valorant Champions Tour Stage 2: Masters Copenhagen Valorant eventStats, score, streams, and VODs from DRX vs. posted 7 months ago reply. GG - Learn champion builds, runes, and counters. #8. Country. Movistar Riders. gg. FNC (13 - 11) Split. realvizierr. 2021. Facts. Ascent. chill on 100T they arent that bad. More than 100 million people use GitHub to discover, fork, and contribute to over 420 million projects. I’m glad they lost In glorious fashion. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from ZETA DIVISION vs. posted 8 months ago reply •. Chronicle (Timofey Khromov) Valorant player team history, match results, stats, achievements, and winnings. realvizierr. I'm not an NA hater by any means but we have to be fair and say that FNC (maybe even NAVI) are the actual "deserved" winners of Champs 2023. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from FunPlus Phoenix vs. Valorant League TR. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from FNATIC vs. Asuna vs Derke will be fun to watch but the rest of 100T is simply worse pound-for-pound so it should be a relatively easy series for Fnatic. I'm certain that they can replicate Astralis in. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from FNATIC vs. –. Max Mazanov. +. FNATIC 6 / 7. Fnatic. Boaster has a 0. FNATIC (FNC) LOUD. There is no chance that Koi win one map. Stax kills Mistic while. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Redirecting to /i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2FAlfajervlWhen DRX beat them 2-0 the first time, FPX players said DRX got “lucky” and was unfair because DRX had “more prep time”. . Prior to today, Fnatic and M3 Champions had only played each other once, in May 2021, with the former taking a calm win. FNC 3475,0063 Pts +459,1313 (4072,4P) NRG 3135,3 Pts -68,25 (2323,6P) EG 2814,45 Pts +661,1 (3872,0P) EDG 2687,7 Pts +2239,7 (2463,7P) C9 2466,2 Pts. Playoffs – 5th–8th. I think SEN has 50% to win this shit, but even if they win I'm not sure if they will be able to go too far. Double-Elimination bracket. 2-0 (13-10, 13-8) posted about a year ago. FNATIC FNC #AFP 2: 0. Liquid have been going on a pretty good roll, but i believe Fnatic will recoup and win. so if we take their lans wins out: champs EMEA: 0 champs NA: 0 masters EMEA: 2 masters NA:. –. reply • link. Evil Geniuses - Grand Final match of Champions Tour 2023: Masters Tokyo Valorant event. Streams Valorant Pacific. 08 FNATIC [2229] final 1 : 3 Bo5 Team Liquid [1826] Stats, score, streams, and VODs from DRX vs. FNC ban Breeze; G2 ban Ascent; FNC pick Icebox; G2 pick Split; FNC ban Fracture; G2 ban Haven; Bind remains Betting. posted 4 months ago© This is our original video with many high quality edits and original creative ideas. gg MVP Award. GMB, OPTC, FPX, LOUD, FNC cores are still all relevant. I just don't know why Fnatic kept trying to take the same site over and over again. FNC ban Ascent; G2 ban Breeze; FNC pick Bind; G2 pick Haven; FNC pick Icebox Betting. This is the place where Loud will be defeated. NRG 2-1 T1 if NRG actually tries and i mean actually tries. 2020. This also falsifies your statement of 'mid'. 2023/08/27. Team Liquid | Champions Tour 2023: EMEA League | Playoffs | Valorant match | VLR. HUGE comeback in match one and EG vs EDG was repeat exciting rounds. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from BBL Esports vs. Mistic (James Orfila) Valorant player team history, match results, stats, achievements, and winningsFNC. Astralis don't drop maps. Qualifier Playoffs – 9th–16th. EG picks Split 7. nah, if they dont come at least close to 26-0ing Fut i cant believe in them any longer. Teams. fnatic. Derke Nikita Sirmitev Professional Valorant player for team Fnatic Twitch Twitter Youtube Instagram Discord Tiktok External-link-alt Valorant Settings Mouse settings DPI 800 Sensitivity 0. gg. Valorant esports coverage featuring news, schedules, rankings, stats, and moreFrom barely winning against T3 teams to going 1-1 against FNC at Champions, honestly find it a W that people think this loss was embarrassing, it speaks to how good they are after such a short time. LOUD. ZETA DIVISION - Elimination (A) match of Valorant Champions Tour Stage 1: Masters Reykjavík Valorant event Absolute destruction by FNC, leo drops 70 bomb. BBL Esports roster, upcoming matches, results, rank, stats, and achievementsFnatic vs LOUD, Europe vs Brazil, two teams looking to cement their name in VALORANT history. $61 Movistar Riders. doma (Domagoj Fancev) Valorant player team history, match results, stats, achievements, and winnings. That is IGL consistency as well. Drx are heavily influenced by emotion, if they lose 5-0 in an elimination match, they will tilt and merge the game, and fnc will calmly start with a comfortable score. link. Top 2 teams from each group advance to the Playoffs. iammika1999 1 Frags + – 2-0 KC, scream had enough . G2 Esports 5 /. Leo awarded first VLR. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from FNATIC vs. Biank rin Knight whzy Yosemite. make ur top 5 teams for next year predictions here. +. Lower Final and Grand Final are Bo5. Ends up in a 2v2 with Boaster and Leo alive for FNC, and Jaw and Ethan for EG. Guild Esports roster, upcoming matches, results, rank, stats, and achievements© This is our original video with many high quality edits and original creative ideas. Qualifier Play-In – 9th–16th. Play-Ins of Season 12 lol eSports World Championship 2022 in China. I honestly think he’d have more personal success if he were in a less supportive role. Chroma Cup #09. LOUD - Upper Semifinals match of Valorant Champions 2022 Valorant eventMarch 26th – Stewie2K leaves Streamer position. 2021. Main Event – 1st. Team Liquid | Champions Tour 2023: EMEA League | Playoffs | Valorant match | VLR. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from DRX vs. LOUD LOUD #BOQ 2023/08/24 6:45 pm. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from Team Vitality vs. 2020. Zest in the middle gets killed by Alfa while going in. in a best of 5 too. Yeah FNC has been consistent, consistently FRAUDS. –. 98 k/d and a 1. Ends up in a 2v2 with Boaster and Leo alive for FNC, and Jaw and. Stats, score, streams, and VODs from Team Liquid vs. emea better have 4 slots tho (FPX, FNC, G2, TL) fnc and g2 is like old fnc, lil bit of g2, m3c, and gld in em. FNC CHRONICLE about FNATIC Perfect RUN so far in VCT BRAZIL | FNC Chronicle InterviewTHANK YOU ALL FOR 5K SUBS PLEASE HELP ME GET TO 6K!Credits: score, streams, and VODs from Papara SuperMassive vs. fnc started off really slow but they also played really sloppy losing a 2v4 and i think a 3v5. LOUD owns EU teams, the only team that can probably stomp them is FPX or GUILD, even Optic won with 2 maps going OT (and LOUD being on match point several times) and the other one was a comeback. Vlr. This feels like the universe reasserting itself. Respect for Fnatic for pushing SEN and help. He would always get the read on the set ups of sentinels. Liquid have been going on a pretty good roll, but i believe Fnatic will recoup and win. Lakia subs-in for k1Ng on map 1 on Vision Strikers. Qwertyy. FNATIC - Lower Round 3 match of Valorant Champions Tour Stage 2: Masters Copenhagen Valorant eventStats, score, streams, and VODs from FNATIC vs.